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Rob Holman replied to the topic Germania: An Argument for Continuity in Sortilege in the forum
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It is important to add I think, that the older rune poems like the OE Rune Poem, associate the runes with ideas… but do NOT teach you how to say it. For example:
Eolh-secg eard hæfþ oftust on fenne
wexeð on wature, wundaþ grimme,
blode breneð beorna gehwylcne
ðe him ænigne onfeng gedeþ.Elk-Sedge grows oftenest on the fen
It flourishes in water, and grimly wounds
burns the blood, of any man whomsoever
grasps itMore or less. Now, can a newcomer to runes read this stanza, and tell me from this reading… what sound this one makes??
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My own hair-brained thought looking at the other rune poems… is that this has nothing to do with “elk” and that “algiz” is wrong. It’s a variant of Ealh. Fight me. #SmokingJacket
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladium_mariscus
Thesis Statement:
The Old English rune eolh-secg (ᛉ) does not derive from a genitive form of eolh meaning “elk,” as earlier glossators and 19th-century lexicographers speculated, but rather preserves an older, sacral meaning linked to the Proto-Germanic root alh- (“sanctuary, shrine”). Drawing on the protective function of the rune in Anglo-Saxon magic, its semantic association with danger and boundary in the Rune Poem, and its likely cognacy with Gothic alhs (“temple”) and the divine Alcis described by Tacitus, the term eolh in this context is best understood as denoting a protective or warding force, not an animal. The plant referred to—likely Cladium mariscus, a sharp fen sedge—serves as a ritual or symbolic boundary-marker, and eolh-secg should thus be interpreted as “shrine-sedge” or “warding reed”, reinforcing the rune’s use in apotropaic contexts. This reading aligns with the work of R. I. Page, who stressed the symbolic over the phonological function of this rune, and with Warren and Elliott’s reevaluation of algiz as denoting protection rather than “elk.”
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There is a book called ‘saxon sorcery & magic’ by Alaric Albertsson that has a section on the runes along with how to pronounce them. Here goes-EH olch ending with a glottal stop, as in Loch.
Issue here is, just like in England today there are so many different dilects that the sound would have been slightly different in different regions. Personally I use modern English instead of the old pronunciations = Elk Sedge.